Wednesday, March 05, 2008

The Flowering of Dutch Muliti-culturalism: "So much hate"

"I'm 18 years old and have friends who feel so much hate against Arabic people because [we] are terrified."

The following comment comes from a blog by a liberal leftist writing from an island in the Pacific ocean, but the comment itself is written by a young person who doesn't have the luxury of spinning nonsense from afar. The comment is from a Dutchman stuck with Muslims. Following that, some more news and views of the Netherlands and government regarding Geert Wilders and his up-coming film, Fitna. First, a young Dutchman.

Fitna: The Reality.


First let me introduce myself[.] [I']m a man from the [N]etherlands.

[L]et me explain what far right means. [I]n countries such as [H]olland, far right is something like [you] get [to keep] what [wage or profit] you have worked for. [S]o [free enterprise and capitalism are] economical[ly beneficial] for a lot of people, better[.] [O]n the opposite[, i.e. the Left, you have] those... parties that focus more on growing as a union[;] so better social securities, [i.e. welfare state benefits].

[A]nyway you can't imagine how terribly bad it is in Holland [between] Muslim people and Dutch people. Most [Muslims] came here in the sixties when Dutch people were feeling too good to do stuff like cleaning and working in a factory. Nothing wrong [with the Muslims working in the Netherlands] at that moment but then they [had] children, and those children were getting a Dutch passport and a Turkish one for example, [i.e. dual citizenship without assimilation].

Well, we don't [have many] murders as like in [America] but somehow Muslims were getting in the news as they where involved with some incidents, [known locally as creating "American conditions"] so people [i.e. Dutch] were getting more and more hate against [Muslim criminals], and not just hate[:] some were a bit afraid because they [Muslims] were [portrayed as] people with loose hands, [i.e. ill tempers]. Dutch people don't like the [underclass Muslim] threat and that's how Geert Wilders gets his [media-described] extreme ideas. And in Dutch schools it goes further than that. [There are a] lot of fights [between] Dutch people and Muslim people, not [because of] their religion but just because Dutch [teens]and [young people, grandchild age,] want to stay in charge of Holland and don't [want to] tolerate [aggressive] foreign people anymore. I think somehow that this [conflict] between people from the Netherlands and Muslims people, or people who look Arabic, is going to escalate.

I'm 18 years old and have friends who feel so much hate against Arabic people because [we] are terrified. [Youths and teens] are the people who [are] voting for Geert Wilders [in the] elections. I hope I made it a bit clear and I'm sorry for my terrible English :P

Geert Wilders' film Fitna is coming closer to a theatre near you, and the Dutch political scene is lighting up. No, not lighting up a joint, which might for once be a good idea for them; no, in this case the leading lights of Netherlands' politicking are lighting up the dark and maybe previously hidden depths of their cowardice, and displaying their manipulation and hatred of the Dutch people for all to see. The Dutch ruling clique's government, the political powers that be, have recently tried to intimidate Wilders into withdrawing his film to placate Muslims; below we'll see the police today won't give him assurances that if they see his film they won't outlaw it on the spot; and the media, further below, assign blame to Wilders for crimes uncommitted and those yet to come-- crimes likely to be committed by Muslims but the fault of Wilders. The Left dhimmi fascists blame Wilders for any problems to come, try to stop him from showing his film, and grovel before the Muslim world in the hope of being spared whatever consequence there is to being alive in a world of angry and spoiled Muslims who want still more, knowing full well they'll get still more if Europeans see a public Muslim temper tantrum. Wilders doesn't put up with Muslim bullshit, and Wilders pays, or will if the Left dhimmi fascists get their way.

Fitna the Movie

The Hague - The website for the anti-Qur'an film Fitna by Geert Wilders is online under the name fitnathemovie. There is little to see at the moment: only the cover of the Qur'an with the text "Allahu Akhbar", which means "God is Great" and "Geert Wilders presents Fitna - Coming Soon" against a black background.

Party for Freedom leader Geert Wilders announced two weeks ago that his film will be shown on this website. He is also negotiating with television stations to broadcast Fitna.

On Tuesday, Mr Wilders said he was prepared to show the film to the national terrorism coordinator Tjebbe Joustra one day ahead of it being broadcast on the condition that it would not be banned. The MP stresses that his film does not contravene Dutch law.

It's coming. One would have expected a little more order and organization from the Dutch, like a schedule. But since there is this interlude we have the dubious pleasure of previews and cartoons. An editorial, presumably from a public intellectual. If Netherlanders were ever like this fellow I wonder how it is they managed to hold out against the Nazi invasion for as long as they did.

Ready, Set, Cringe

Wednesday, March 5, 2008 When provocations take over the debate

By Tøger Seidenfaden, editor in chief

The Dutch government is still hoping that the right wing politician Geert Wilders will refrain from releasing the short film that he has been threatening to launch for weeks now. The film contains one of the crudest attacks on European freedom of thought in memory, since it appears that its message is that the Koran should be banned. A proposal to ban a book, simply because one does not like its content, harks back to the darkest period in European history.

But it is not, however, Wilders self-contradictory extremism that worries the Dutch government, but rather the anticipation of peaceful (boycott) and violent (bombs) Muslim reactions. According to NATO's Secretary-General, both Dutch and Danish soldiers in Afghanistan are increasingly in danger – in the case of Danish soldiers as a result of the rekindled cartoon crisis.

The classical example to show that freedom of expression has limits, is that you are not allowed to shout 'Fire!' in a theatre full of people. In that light, the Dutch government is acting in a basically responsible manner in disassociating itself from extremism, and urging Wilders to think again.


There is little doubt that we in many cases are currently having to defend the right to commit wholesale stupidity and provocation. It can be difficult to determine when our principles are being manipulated by stuntmen and hostile ideologists, and when they are defending the freedom of debate and the freedom of artistic expression.

Legally and politically we are naturally adamant. The limits of freedom of expression cannot be moved because of threats, or because other societies have not yet discovered it. But it is more than ever vital now, that both governments and the rest of us insist on the right to put our foot down in relation to those who are only looking for confrontation and conflict, and just leave the consequences to society. Here, the Christian Democratic Prime Minister in Holland is doing the right thing – just as the non-socialist Swedish government did when Sweden had a prelude to a Mohammed crisis. As far as diplomacy and dialogue is concerned, our own government is unfortunately still conspicuously silent. It is possible that the government is satisfied with its dogged determination. But in reality, it is failing in its responsibilities.

Translated by Julian Isherwood; *

I assumed that a high school diploma in Europe still meant something. Obviously I was wrong. Now, about y remark on the Dutch holding out so valiantly against the German invasion? OK, that was unkind. But look at the beating they gave the English in the Dutch East Indies.

All is not lost. People in the Netherlands voted for Wilders and his group. More will vote next time. Sane and responsible government in the Netherlands is not something we must have overnight. This, the grovelling and the blaming and the whingeing and weeping from the dhimmi govenment is a good thing in that it shows by praxis, the propaganda of the deed, in blood and stone just what one gets from this kind of behaviour in this kind of situation, a lesson it seems each generation must learn the hard way rather than relying on past experience and common sense. Now they will find out for certain. New leaders will emerge.

Grovelling invites a beating.

Terrorist Expert: Government Concern over Quran Documentary Reflects Weakness

"The Dutch Government is insufficiently aware of how its messages are perceived by the Muslim world." This was stated by Uri Rosenthal, the faction chairman of the Liberal Party in the Dutch Senate and a leading expert on terrorism. He said that by demanding that Wilders not broadcast his movie on the Quran, violence and incitement, the Government is ignoring the fact that this is perceived in Muslim countries as Government pressure without consequences and thus is a sign of weakness. Rosenthal added that the government shows further weakness by stating that it will hold PVV leader Wilders responsible for any violence if his documentary is broadcast. He thinks that Denmark's firm position on the Mohammed cartoons issue is far more effective than that of the Dutch."
Wednesday, March 5, 2008

Herodotus and Thucydides and many others from antiquity knew well these lessons. Not so long ago Machiavelli wrote on this too:

I]f you yield to a threat, you do so in order to avoid war, and more often than not, you do not avoid war. For those before whom you have thus openly demeaned yourself by yielding, will not stop there, but will seek to extort further concessions, and the less they esteem you the more incensed will they become against you. On the other hand, you will find your supporters growing cooler towards you, since they will look upon you as weak or pusillanimous. But if, as soon as you become aware of your adversary's intentions, you prepare to use force, even though your forces be inferior to his, he will begin to respect you, and, since those with which you were allied will now esteem you, they will be ready to help when you begin to arm, which they would never have done had you given up.

Niccolo Machiavelli, Discourses, Book II, Chapter 14


truepeers said...

They're starting to cave at Harvard. What would the founding fathers of that institution have said?

Anonymous said...

Wilders Movie Website, Network Solutions, Is Caving Into Radical Islam.

Website is down: "This site has been suspended while Network Solutions is investigating whether the site's content is in violation of the Network Solutions Acceptable Use Policy. Network Solutions has received a number of complaints regarding this site that are under investigation." Read more:

Muslims Against Sharia neither endorse nor condemn "Fitna"; we have not seen the film. However, we find it disturbing that Network Solution suspended "Fitna" website while hosting a multitude of radical Islamic websites, some of which belong to (or are closely affiliated with) terrorist groups.