Wednesday, November 23, 2005

Presbyter Scum

Our friends at Cuanas posted this yesterday, and we pass it on here. Frankly, I get so disgusted by the antics of the Prsbyterian Church that I am hardly able to think straight when I turn my mind to the evil these people do. Below, Pastorius leads off with an introduction you may follow into the whole of the sorry mess the church has become. And following that there are some comments from a friend who certainly knows more about this than I or others at the fortress. One thing is clear to all of us, mostly atheists and hardly people you'd invite home for dinner: we know the difference between right and wrong. Obviously the Presbyterians don't.

The Presbyterian Church is rotting out from the inside:

On October 20, 2005, the Lebanese press reported that a delegation from the Presbyterian Church USA, headed by Father Nihad Tu'meh and with Robert Worley as its spokesman, visited southern Lebanon at the invitation of Hizbullah, and met there with the terrorist organization's commander in southern Lebanon Nabil Qawuq...

A year previously, on October 17, 2004, a Presbyterian Church USA delegation visiting Lebanon also met with Qawuq. MEMRI TV translated excerpts from a report on the meeting that was aired by Hizbullah's Al-Manar TV. During the meeting, church elder Ronald Stone said, "We treasure the precious words of Hizbullah and your expression of goodwill towards the American people. Also, we praise your initiative for dialogue and mutual understanding. We cherish these statements that bring us closer to you. As an elder of our church, I'd like to say that according to my recent experience, relations and conversations with Islamic leaders are a lot easier than dealings and dialogue with Jewish leaders."...

Interesting articles on the Presbyterian Church rotting out from the inside. Corruption of the Satanic sort within the institutionalized church was predicted by Christ Himself. You'll need to bear with me a bit, as I attempt a brief Bible lesson here, as you mentioned the difference between Presbyterian and New Presbyterian wasn't clear to you. Throughout scripture birds often symbolize spirits, usually evil spirits, though not always. The first bird let out of Noah's ark after the Flood was a raven which did not return, as it found plenty to eat floating around - highly symbolic of Satan occupying whoever is not saved. In Matthew 13:24-32 Jesus gave 2 parables, with parallel meanings. In both cases the "kingdom of heaven" refers to the whole of believers in Christ, regardless of geographic dispersion, on earth at once. In verses 24-30 the parable indicates that both wheat and weeds are allowed to grow or occupy the earth until the time of harvest or judgment. The implication is that, not only are there those on earth who reject Christ and are therefore not part of the kingdom, but they must have infiltrated to close proximity to bone fide believers, since tearing the two group apart prior to God finally winding things up would cause too much disruption - see verses 29-30.

In Matthew 13:31-32 the second parable is a little more explicit about the institutionalized church becoming infiltrated with dirty birds, so to speak. Mustard is one of the smallest of all seeds, the inference being that belief in Christ as God and Savior can seem to be little more than a mere moment's thought at first. As time passes, normal growth for mustard plants results in a small but potent and useful herb, akin to the idea of a small local independent church with a small but close knit group of believers who let pleasant their flavour be known in the world nearby. This is the way the Lord intended things to be. However, when the plant grows to excess size, it becomes a woody vine, no longer useful as food, and falls all over the ground - too much contact with the world for the cumbersome churches. In addition, the distorted sizes and woody branches can become nesting places for birds. In other words, a church so large that it extends to political proportions, with levels of administrative hierarchy in which power wielding can take place, is not what the Lord intended, and is a tempting locale for corrupt people seeking power and influence - through any venue.

Matthew 13:

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

Israel has always been God's chosen earthly people, and those who would be adversaries to Israel, align themselves with Satan, perhaps unwittingly but nevertheless. The name Satan means adversary, and his work often involves seduction in a political sense, and he of course can appear as an angel of light or as a minister of righteousness, as seen in the passage below.

2 Corinthians 11:

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

I've not bothered to follow all the twists and turns of the apostate churches, which include the Catholic, the Presbyterian, Episcopal, and others. To me, once they start doing things like wondering whether or not Mary was actually a virgin, or perhaps Christ was just a man, and maybe God doesn't mind homosexuality, etc. - all the politically correct garbage, I just lose interest in knowing anything more about them. There was split in which the New Presbyterian departed because they couldn't tolerate these sorts of doctrines of demons, ending the very sort of result your referenced blog has posted. The first word in scripture to describe Satan is the word subtle - Genesis 3:1, meaning not obvious, appears as simply the small harmless nose under the tent flap, the thin edge of a puny wedge, etc. Had people like Nihad Tu'meh and Robert Worley entered the Presbyterian Church 50 or 100 years ago and starting foaming the mouth with preaching and teaching anti-Israel and anti-Americanism, they would have been rejected. It has been necessary for that church to first depart from solid adherence to scripture before such apostasy could ever take hold. The Presbyterian Church today is doubtless one of the apostate institutions prophesied in Matthew 13:32.

The New Presbyterian Church takes a very opposite stance on issues relating to supporting Israel, and so far as I can tell they operate largely as small independent local churches, as the useful small mustard plant.

For all the bad press fundamentalist Christians get, that they are a bigger threat than Islam, that they are going to destroy the world, and so on, I reserve a greater hatred for "mainstream" Presbyterians than for any other living creatures. These whores of Babylon might look pretty from a distance but scratch them and they ooze poison. They are scum.

Here again is the link to Cuanas:


Pastorius said...

"The Whore of Babylon"

Yes, that seems to be true.

Very sad.

I've been marveling that the church is so filled with whores. It is frightening to me. But, imagine how much more frightening it must have been to Christ, who died for this Church, and is betrothed to her.

Very, very sad.

callieischatty said...

People are leaving the Pres Church, they just are not relevant anymore.
Just a bunch of old nuts.