Wednesday, August 24, 2005

Muddling Through and Through

Conservative politician in Britain
that Islam is like Nazism or Communism; a Muslim in Britain claims he will not allow the demonisation of Islam in Britain; and a British civil servant sums it all up famously be saying the matter needs further study.

If you're thinking, in moments of despair, of turning to the BNP as those who actually understand, from an extremist point of view if not from simple reason and clear observation of reality, to give you hope that at least someone 'gets' it, look at a response from a BNP supporter in the thick of war in southern Jugoslavia:

"A native Swede turned Muslim will kill you for the sake of Islam, and he will not spare you because you are Swedish. You cannot trust any Muslim, regardless."

Well I don't believe this. Yes his religion is telling him to do that. But there is a big difference. Like 70% of Muslims are Arabs, Iranians, and Turkish people. This is very bad and evil animals. Even if they were Christians they would act as they do today.
I think it's more in the genetics in humans. We the white Europeans (not Albanians, because they are the only no-white in EU) are very friendly people. We can not act in the name of Islam even if we were forced into Islam.

The only white people in EU which is Muslim are the Bosnians witch are Slavic (they were forced by the Ottomans), don't act as full-blooded Muslims.

The MoD pours tea and sympathy for Sacranie, the Guardian pours scorn all over anyone not far dhimmi enough to please bin Laden, and the Price of Wales is likely a closet Muslim.

Where does Britain go from here?

Cameron compares Islamist extremists to Nazis

Read his speech in full

Matthew Tempest, political correspondent
Wednesday August 24, 2005

The shadow education secretary, David Cameron, this morning seized the initiative in the party's leadership race with a speech comparing Islamic extremists to Nazis....

Addressing the Foreign Policy Centre thinktank this morning, Mr Cameron encroached on the territory of his main rival, David Davis, with a speech devoted to "homeland security" and British values.

In it he warned that Islamist thinking has developed which, "like Nazism and Communism, offers followers redemption through violence".

"Just like the Nazis of 1930s Germany, they want to purge corrupt cosmopolitan influences."

"Jihadism feeds into the bewilderment, alienation and lack of progress felt by many in the Muslim world," he said, emphasising that "it often bewitches the minds of gifted and educated young men".

He also claimed that the west's failure to act in the 1990s fed Osama bin Laden's belief that it lacked the strength to defend itself.

"The lesson from all of this with respect to our presence in Iraq is clear. Premature withdrawal - and failure to support the Iraqi authority - would be seen as a surrender to militant Jihadism. Nothing would embolden the terrorists more."

...Mr Cameron supported the Iraq war, and today compared those "well-meaning" people calling for withdrawal of British troops to "assuage Jihadist anger" to the appeasers of the 1930s who allowed Germany to remilitarise the Rhineland and reoccupy the Sudetenland.

In the wake of the home secretary's announcement today on further deportations of extremist Islamic clerics, Mr Cameron also criticised the European convention on human rights.

He told BBC Breakfast this morning: "One of the things that is stopping us is the court cases under the European convention of human rights, that says that no matter how dangerous an individual is to the UK, if there is any chance of him being harmed when being sent back to his country of origin, you simply can't do it.

"I think as a country you have to have got to have the right to say to people who may threaten this country, I am sorry you can't come and we are going to deport you."
Muslim groups warn of radical backlash

Read the joint statement in full

Matthew Tempest and agencies
Tuesday August 16, 2005

A coalition of Muslim leaders today warned that closing mosques deemed extremist and banning radical Islamic groups could fuel a radical sub-culture in Britain.

Nearly 40 signatories, including the Islamic Human Rights Commission and the Muslim Association of Britain, said new measures outlined by the prime minister could lead to Islamic values being "demonised".

The leaders jointly issued a six-point statement in response to the government's response to last month's London bombings.

It said: "We fear that recent events are being exploited by some sections in society to demonise legitimate Islamic values and beliefs and hence consider it appropriate to make the following observations."

[Before they rush into self-justifications we would hope they'd explain what a legitimate Islamic value is. That question is neither born of ignorance of Islam nor of malice. Name a legitimate Islamic value and we'll agree to it if it's both legitimate and Islam rather than something universal, shared by all, and not at all "Islamic" in itself.

If, as seems more likely, the Muslims are excusing murder, then let them explain why it is a matter of demonisation to object to murder.]

The statement criticised the use of the term extremism, which it said had no tangible legal meaning and was unhelpful.

The joint statement argued that the right of people to resist invasion and occupation was legitimate and said that questioning the legitimacy of Israeli occupation was also valid political expression.

[Here we must interrupt to ask just what part of sending suicide/homicide bombers to Israel to bomb Mike's Place, a jazz lounge, and what part of sending mercenaries to other nations to fight against ones own country-men and government is legitimate? It goes beyond divided loyalty into treason. Taking up arms on behalf of declared enemies of ones own nation isn't, except in the warped minds of Muslims, legitimate. It is not "valid political expression" to anyone but an idiot or a mindless ideologue.]

The leaders also criticised the decision to ban the group Hizb ur-Tahrir, which is outlawed in Germany, and which Mr Blair specifically stated he intended to proscribe.

A proposal to ban the group was described as "unwarranted, unjust and unwise" and any disagreement with a political organisation should be expressed through debate, not censorship, the leaders wrote.

The statement, co-signed by Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain, read: "If it is suggested that any laws have been broken by any individuals or groups then this must be proven by due legal process.

"Criminalising the mere possession of certain opinions is the hallmark of dictatorships, not democracies."

The closure of mosques accused of "fomenting extremism" would amount to a collective punishment of the community, the statement warned.

It may "create fear" which could lead to "the very radical sub-culture which we all seek to prevent".

Finally, the Muslim leaders said plans to deport foreign nationals to countries known for human rights abuses was "abhorrent".

On issuing today's statement, Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, said: "The British Muslim community has always been a law-abiding community and all its endeavours to create a just society have been entirely peaceful.

"However, we will not allow the demonising, devaluing or targeting of the concept of Islam which will we hold very dear."

The Home Office minister Hazel Blears also faced criticism today over the government's new anti-terrorism plans at the latest of the government's liaison meetings with regional Muslim leaders.

The minister for policing, security and community safety was in Leicester today, for a meeting with around 200 members of the Muslim community, where she was told the government's announced measures had the affect of putting an entire faith in the dock.

...Yaqub Khan, the general secretary of the Pakistan Association in Leicester, said: "I think the law on terrorism is making the whole Muslim community stand in the dock.

"I think there are lots of people who are opposed to Islam as a faith. This legislation is the type of legislation which has not even been introduced during war time."

After the meeting, Ms Blears said: "We are trying to consult as much as we can but recognise that the events of July 7 quite rightly have caused us to review the situation and we have to have measures in place.

"We will take the legislation through parliament and give it the proper scrutiny."

When the smoke clears, next time, we'll have to calmly assess our response. It's increasingly clear that we need someone better qualified to lead this war against fascist Islam and fascist dhimmitude than we have now. From here we suggest that would be you.

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