tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13144649.post112743582272649650..comments2023-10-21T08:02:56.571-07:00Comments on No Dhimmitude: The Proper Study of ManDaghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13144649.post-1127505439464392332005-09-23T12:57:00.000-07:002005-09-23T12:57:00.000-07:00I'm not here to interfere with whatever dialogue g...I'm not here to interfere with whatever dialogue goes on. I do appreciate your comments, and I'm sure others will as well.Daghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10664271893389366772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13144649.post-1127496790670140432005-09-23T10:33:00.000-07:002005-09-23T10:33:00.000-07:00You say: "prove to me man has any objective value"...You say: "prove to me man has any objective value". Even a pet, an animal, has worth, if only to someone who loves it. Love changes everything, if worth is your yardstick. You speak of objective worth, as if you have no subjective nature. Are you kidding yourself, or just in so much pain in some way, you'd rather not consider where your subjective nature fits in these considerations?<BR/><BR/>These declarations about "man" as some general archetype don't fly. We humans may be in some way a collective, a community, a totality, but we are also individuals. You too. I wonder: have you no love in your life? Seems so.<BR/><BR/>Remarkably much of what you express become somehow hollow when the subjective is included. At least to me. If you exclude the subjective, these ideas you express are all mental. They have no "heart". Now some people have trouble acknowledging their subjective sides. In some cases this denial of the subjective even suggests some sort of mental illness -- ie, the brain is not working correctly. Even more remarkably, including the subjective doesn't require God, nor does it provide an argument that there must be some sort of God or soul. But it does include a fundamental aspect of every man, and perhaps in some way, every creature.<BR/><BR/>Worth is really a convention. We agree with someone else about worth. There always has to be someone else involved for worth to be an issue. And most all of us know what worthlessness feels like. It seems the idea of God was invented because people were not always able to find for themselves a sense of worth in their relationships with people around them. God, an imagined "other" onto which we are free to project any sort of desirable quality, then becomes a reference against which we can measure our worth, if we have no other reference. For many it helps, sometimes for their whole life. This of course has nothing to do with objective reality. That is, God does not have to exist for this imagined God to help us. Santa makes us feel good when we are children. This scenario seems like the situation for many people today. Of course the political mind has jumped on this idea called God and usurped it for its own ends. But that is a different matter, even if it has reduced the value of the God-idea for us. <BR/><BR/>And none of this makes atheism any less accurate a description of us and our situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com